Turns out you can't run pulse and pipe. They fight horribly. However, it turns out that earlier versions of KDE used pulse. I installed with the Debian installer and only used KDE5, but the 'stable' version has pulse. Blah.
I finally had to install without any desktop. That allowed me to set 'sources.list' to sid, and then install KDE. Seems to be better now. The best test, or worst, is to try and use Google Meet on Linux. I may have it working.
ps. didn't work in getting Google Meet going.
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